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Curious methane signatures on Mars


The ESA Mars Express mission has found some intriguing methane signatures which roughly correspond to the locations of subsurface water and probable geothermal energy sources. Life perhaps?

Article at Space.com at:

http://space.com/scienceastronomy/mars_life_050216.html

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http://www1.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2005/feb/HQ_05052_mars_claim.html


RELEASE: 05-052


NASA Statement on False Claim of Evidence of Life on Mars


Dolores Beasley/Gretchen Cook-Anderson


Headquarters, Washington


(Phone: 202/358-1753/0836)


Feb. 18, 2005


News reports on February 16, 2005, that NASA scientists from Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, Calif., have found strong evidence that life may exist on Mars are incorrect.


NASA does not have any observational data from any current Mars missions that supports this claim. The work by the scientists mentioned in the reports cannot be used to directly infer anything about life on Mars, but may help formulate the strategy for how to search for martian life. Their research concerns extreme environments on Earth as analogs of possible environments on Mars. No research paper has been submitted by them to any scientific journal asserting martian life.



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While NASA is backpedalling, the ESA's Mars Express apparently has made observations of methane signatures at several sites. I don't have access to the data (wish I did) because I'd love to see it. Could be outgassing from geothermally warmed methane clathrates burried beneath the permafrost layers. Could be some bizarre chemical reactions, or it could be life. But whatever is going on on Mars--it's interesting!


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Terry

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Space.com recently ran an article about the Mars methane debate and posted a picture supposedly from the Spirit rover that depicted a lichen like substance. I emailed the photo to an expert on fungi etc. and he said it was definitly a lichen but could not determine the species from the photo. I emailed him back and informed him that it was a picture of a rock on Mars - his response - "No way, it's a FAKE!" I don't have the URL in front of me, and I've scoured NASA's site for a copy of the photo, but none have turned up... Was Space.com duped?

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It's entirely possible--I've seen the photo you are referring to--and I know enough about various computer based digital painting programs to know that photographs are no longer to be trusted without considering the source. Any of the various tabloid magazines have, from time to time, published photographs which look convincingly realistic at first glance.

With that being said, the only thing I can say about the Martian lichen photo is this:

If life exists, or has existed on Mars, then when we do find it, there will be little or no doubt. One isolated picture of something that looks like a lichen will not convince. However, detailed photography of a whole colony of lichen-like organisms spread over an area, or through a particular rocky strata which can be traced and fallowed, and subsequently found to contain more fossil orgranisms in other places, this would be convincing to me. It's the context of the photographs which would indicate an organisms 'draped' across a rock, or clearly embedded in a rocky matrix which is itself clearly embedded in something clearly belonging to Mars. It's the repeatebility which constitutes 'evidence.' This is a phundamental cornerstone of science.

What makes me suspicious of such photos is that they are almost always a blow up--there is now sequence of pictures showing a slow 'zoom in' in which the anomaly is seen. A true anomaly will not be an isolated blow up, but rather would be a part of an overall context of photographs. I think the Mars Rover team would like nothing better than to find something like a lichen--however, they would want to approach it the right way. A news blackout may appear for a time--and then a whole team of researches will come forward and then say something like: "...We are cautiously optimistic, but we think we have found evidence of life. See this thing in this picture--it looks like a lichen. This is the rock from x meters away. Here's a microscopic picture of it. And here's a picture we did after we RAT'ed it--as you can see, half of it is gone which proves it was on the surface of the rock on not something sticking out of the rock. " Something like that I would expect. A cautious, but extremely professional analysis.

Now as far as the methane signatures go--who knows. I'm guarded but optimistic. I know enough about chemistry to know that methane all by itself could mean all kinds of things: it could be the thermal decomposition of pre-existing methane clathrates, heated by geothermal energy deep below the permafrost layers. It could be a chemical reaction between percolating water and hot rocks near the top of a magmatic inclusion. It could be a bizare error in the Mars Express instruments (I kind of don't buy into that one, but hey, it's possible!) It could also be a ruptured/leaking Martial natural gas pipeline! (I'd have to mark that down as least likely!) it could be lot's of things--or it could be life.

Point is, those places with a methane signature are very interesting--and they warrant a further look. And that is really all we can do anyways.



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Is this the photo you're talking about ?
 


 
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/mystery_monday_050214.html
.....asked about the curious feature, Mars Exploration Rover science leader, Steve Squyres from Cornell University reported: "Nothing very exciting...RAT brush mark."

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GoogleNaut

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Right page, Jaro (thanks!) but that clearly is just a picture of fossilized rotellei pasta!

Seriously, though. The picture that I think Terry refers to is found in the smaller pictures to the right, second one down. The 'lichen' like sturcture can be found at:

http://www.space.com/php/multimedia/imagedisplay/img_display.php?pic=h_gusev_biofeature_02.jpg&cap=Looks+can+be+deceiving.+At+first+glance%2C+Microscopic+Imager+on+Spirit+Mars+rover+at+Gusev+Crater+seemed+to+have+found+an+odd%2C+biological-looking+feature.+Image+Credit%3A+NASA%2FJPL%2FCornell%2FUSGS

(Hopefully that link will do.)

Anyhow, they're interesting. But without follow up investigation, a single picture is rather meaningless. If however, more and more of these begin appearing, then one could seriously consider the possibility. Taking the whole in context, to be convinced, I'd just have to insist that the RAT be used on one. If small flaky particles were scraped off, and with microspcopic imaging produced internal structures that could be interpreted as cells, then we would have something. Obviously, they didn't equip the rovers with a biolaboratory, or DNA sequencers, but they did equip them with enough gear I think to make a good initial investigation. A preliminary positive result ought to give us the incentive to fund more aggressive follow up missions.



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O.K., that link I just posted didn't work. Try this one:

http://www.space.com/images/h_gusev_biofeature_02.jpg

That ought to do!



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Terry

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Here is the article:


http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/mystery_monday_050214.html


Here is the photo in question:


http://www.space.com/images/h_foliose_lichen_02.jpg


The caption reads: "Curious Mars feature imaged by Spirit took on the look of foliose lichen here on Earth. Image courtesy: University of Wisconsin – Madison/Barry DiGregorio/Cardiff Centre for Astrobiology"


I wonder if the picture is of an example on Earth?  It appears to be on tree bark?  They could have worded the caption a little more clearly!



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Yes, I am sure that this is an example of Earth Lichen growing on Terrestrial tree bark.

I suspect that the Martian 'anomaly' isn't an anomaly at all. I suspect that the lichen like structure is in fact just the central dust deposit left by the RAT after it completes an orbit. The RAT has a tiny stainless steel brush on another spindle opposite the abrasion tool which rotates and orbits at the same time. If the RAT is left in one position for a long time, then a central peak of dust will almost surely result from the rock abrasion tool.

Interesting though...

The methane signatures though are a little more intruiging. Well see what they are...



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from the current issue of AW&ST:


http://www.aviationnow.com/publication/awst/loggedin/AvnowStoryDisplay.do?pubKey=awst&issueDate=2005-03-14&section=Correspondence&headline=Letters+to+the+editor


Correspondence
DOESN'T LOOK LIKE FROZEN SEA
Aviation Week & Space Technology
03/14/2005, page 6
Jeff Plescia, Applied Physics Laboratory
Johns Hopkins University, Laurel, Md.


The Mars Express images of the Cerberus Plains in southern Elysium depict what is suggested to be a frozen sea (AW&ST Feb. 28, p. 18). The only evidence for such an interpretation is the morphologic similarity between the patterns in the image and those observed in sea ice. Beyond that visual analogy, there is no evidence for such an interpretation. A volcanic origin has been proposed since 1990 and is compatible with considerable data.
Rather than occurring over an 800 X 900-km. area, this morphology occurs across one of 3,000 X 700 km. The morphology is identical to lava flows in Iceland. The plains of Cerberus have all of the morphologic elements of a lava flow (pressure ridges, channels) and can be traced to vents. The regional topography is one of an east-sloping plain, lacking any dam to impound water to create a sea. Thermal inertia data indicate a mixture of rock and dust. The frozen ocean model requires only dust (there being no rocks). A mixture of dust and rock is consistent with a rough lava flow with low areas filled with dust and high areas of exposed bedrock.


http://www.aviationnow.com/publication/awst/loggedin/AvnowStoryDisplay.do?pubKey=awst&issueDate=2005-03-14&story=xml/awst_xml/2005/03/14/AW_03_14_2005_p88-90-02.xml&headline=Mars+Express+Data+Raise+New+Questions
Space Technology
Mars Express Data Raise New Questions
Aviation Week & Space Technology  03/14/2005, page 89
Robert Wall  Noordwijk, Netherlands
Mars Express mission data spark new questions; follow-on flights urged
Rewriting Chronicles

Scientists are busy revising their assumptions about the red planet as a result of information gleaned from Europe's Mars Express orbiter.


"Our perception of Mars is changing rapidly," notes Gerhard Neukum, principal investigator for the high-resolution stereo camera on Mars Express. But the inflow of data from the spacecraft's various sensors also is triggering calls for further flights to resolve ambiguities raised by current missions. Mars Express, which carried the Beagle 2 lander, was launched in June 2003 and reached Martian orbit six months later.


Many questions were posed, but not necessarily answered, last month at the first gathering here of scientists to review Mars Express findings. Foremost among the queries was whether the potential existence of bacterial life on the planet could be validated. An informal poll among the attendees indicated that 75% believed such life existed on Mars; a further 25% said it could exist today, noted Everett K. Gibson, a senior scientist at Johnson Space Center in Houston. However, he added, to fully resolve the "life" question would require another trip to the planet's surface, or even a sample-return mission.


The genesis of the "life" debate stems from data collected by the Planetary Fourier Spectrometer (PFS). Principal investigator Vittorio Formisano cites the finding of methane and formaldehyde. Methane is a "biomarker," he notes. And the formaldehyde is likely oxidized methane, which experiments in Germany appear to be validating, he argues. There is a correlation between high water-vapor concentrations and those of methane, he says, which suggests a link. However, he concedes that "much more work" needs to be done to draw a final conclusion. But, "for the moment, it seems life is probably the only source that can point to so much methane."


Other explanations for the methane presence include geological processes, such as volcanic or hydrothermal activities, or other outside influences. "We'd like to be able to be there, and drill and find out if there's methane beneath the surface [and if there] are organisms in that water/ice mass," Gibson says. However, he noted that a hydrothermal source would suggest "hot spots" of methane, which so far haven't been observed. He also pointed out that comet or meteorite activity could generate methane, but not at the levels detected.


Scientists are correlating data from the PFS with other Mars Express sensors to try to extract additional information, although that process is largely just beginning.


Further complicating the debate over the methane's origin is that Mars Express may have observed current volcanic activity. Neukum cites findings from the High-Resolution Stereo Camera that reveal not just frozen seas measuring 800 X 900 km. (AW&ST Feb. 28, p. 18) but that also spotlight volcanic cones several kilometers wide. In fact, Neukum says some images show "emerging cones," leading him to argue that there may be "ongoing volcanic activity."


Mars Express also detected solar wind blowing away planetary ions and materials at a rate of about 100 tons per day. The observation that planetary wind is leading to the escape of oxygen and carbon dioxide raises the question of whether water escaped that way as well, says Stas Barabash, principal investigator for the Aspera Energetic Neutral Atoms Analyzer. This area will be the focus of research during the next year, he indicated.


The Mars Radio Science Experiment team reports that, prior to sunrise, the planet's ionosphere is replenished by electrons and other charged particles through solar radiation. Moreover, principal investigator Martin Paetzold says carbon dioxide snowfall is observed at the high-latitude southern winter atmosphere.


In the case of the Spicam Ultraviolet and Infrared Atmospheric Spectrometer team, principal investigator Jean-Loup Bertaux notes that Mars appears to have little ozone and a lot of solar ultraviolet rays at ground level. Moreover, nitric oxide forms on the planet's night side. In part, the atmospheric characterization is intended to help in the design of future aerobraking and landing systems for follow-on missions.


Mars was also found to have sulfate-rich areas, leading scientists to speculate that prior to entering its dry and cold period three billion years ago, Mars may have had warm and wet periods. The sulfate finding is the result of observations by the Omega Visible and Infrared Mineralogical Mapping Spectrometer.



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