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a fuel's paradise?


Hi all,


    I take no stand on this story, as some can be fraud, but it seems interesting and promising. I pass it on for your perusal....


 


http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/story/0,3605,1627424,00.html


 


Fuel's paradise? Power source that turns physics on its head

· Scientist says device disproves quantum theory
· Opponents claim idea is result of wrong maths


Alok Jha, science correspondent
Friday November 4, 2005
The Guardian



It seems too good to be true: a new source of near-limitless power that costs virtually nothing, uses tiny amounts of water as its fuel and produces next to no waste. If that does not sound radical enough, how about this: the principle behind the source turns modern physics on its head.

Randell Mills, a Harvard University medic who also studied electrical engineering at Massachusetts Institute of Technology, claims to have built a prototype power source that generates up to 1,000 times more heat than conventional fuel. Independent scientists claim to have verified the experiments and Dr Mills says that his company, Blacklight Power, has tens of millions of dollars in investment lined up to bring the idea to market. And he claims to be just months away from unveiling his creation.

The problem is that according to the rules of quantum mechanics, the physics that governs the behaviour of atoms, the idea is theoretically impossible. "Physicists are quite conservative. It's not easy to convince them to change a theory that is accepted for 50 to 60 years. I don't think [Mills's] theory should be supported," said Jan Naudts, a theoretical physicist at the University of Antwerp.

What has much of the physics world up in arms is Dr Mills's claim that he has produced a new form of hydrogen, the simplest of all the atoms, with just a single proton circled by one electron. In his "hydrino", the electron sits a little closer to the proton than normal, and the formation of the new atoms from traditional hydrogen releases huge amounts of energy.

This is scientific heresy. According to quantum mechanics, electrons can only exist in an atom in strictly defined orbits, and the shortest distance allowed between the proton and electron in hydrogen is fixed. The two particles are simply not allowed to get any closer.

According to Dr Mills, there can be only one explanation: quantum mechanics must be wrong. "We've done a lot of testing. We've got 50 independent validation reports, we've got 65 peer-reviewed journal articles," he said. "We ran into this theoretical resistance and there are some vested interests here. People are very strong and fervent protectors of this [quantum] theory that they use."

Rick Maas, a chemist at the University of North Carolina at Asheville (UNC) who specialises in sustainable energy sources, was allowed unfettered access to Blacklight's laboratories this year. "We went in with a healthy amount of scepticism. While it would certainly be nice if this were true, in my position as head of a research institution, I really wouldn't want to make a mistake. The last thing I want is to be remembered as the person who derailed a lot of sustainable energy investment into something that wasn't real."

But Prof Maas and Randy Booker, a UNC physicist, left under no doubt about Dr Mill's claims. "All of us who are not quantum physicists are looking at Dr Mills's data and we find it very compelling," said Prof Maas. "Dr Booker and I have both put our professional reputations on the line as far as that goes."

Dr Mills's idea goes against almost a century of thinking. When scientists developed the theory of quantum mechanics they described a world where measuring the exact position or energy of a particle was impossible and where the laws of classical physics had no effect. The theory has been hailed as one of the 20th century's greatest achievements.

But it is an achievement Dr Mills thinks is flawed. He turned back to earlier classical physics to develop a theory which, unlike quantum mechanics, allows an electron to move much closer to the proton at the heart of a hydrogen atom and, in doing so, release the substantial amounts of energy he seeks to exploit. Dr Mills's theory, known as classical quantum mechanics and published in the journal Physics Essays in 2003, has been criticised most publicly by Andreas Rathke of the European Space Agency. In a damning critique published recently in the New Journal of Physics, he argued that Dr Mills's theory was the result of mathematical mistakes.

Dr Mills argues that there are plenty of flaws in Dr Rathke's critique. "His paper's riddled with mistakes. We've had other physicists contact him and say this is embarrassing to the journal and [Dr Rathke] won't respond," said Dr Mills.

While the theoretical tangle is unlikely to resolve itself soon, those wanting to exploit the technology are pushing ahead. "We would like to understand it from an academic standpoint and then we would like to be able to use the implications to actually produce energy products," said Prof Maas. "The companies that are lining up behind this are household names."

Dr Mills will not go into details of who is investing in his research but rumours suggest a range of US power companies. It is well known also that Nasa's institute of advanced concepts has funded research into finding a way of using Blacklight's technology to power rockets.

According to Prof Maas, the first product built with Blacklight's technology, which will be available in as little as four years, will be a household heater. As the technology is scaled up, he says, bigger furnaces will be able to boil water and turn turbines to produce electricity.

In a recent economic forecast, Prof Maas calculated that hydrino energy would cost around 1.2 cents (0.7p) per kilowatt hour. This compares to an average of 5 cents per kWh for coal and 6 cents for nuclear energy.

"If it's wrong, it will be proven wrong," said Kert Davies, research director of Greenpeace USA. "But if it's right, it is so important that all else falls away. It has the potential to solve our dependence on oil. Our stance is of cautious optimism."

Alternative energy

Cold fusion

More than 16 years after chemists' claims to have created a star in a jar imploded in acrimony, the US government has said it might fund more research. Mainstream physicists still balk at reports that a beaker of cold water and metal electrodes can produce excess heat, but a hardy band of scientists across the world refuse to let the dream die.

Methane hydrates

The US and Japan are leading attempts to tap this source of fossil fuel buried beneath the seabed and Arctic permafrost. A mixture of ice and natural gas, hydrates are believed to contain more carbon than existing reserves of oil, coal and gas put together.

Solar chimneys

Sunlight heats trapped air, which rises through a giant chimney and drives turbines. Leonardo da Vinci designed such a power tower and the Australian company Enviromission plans to build one. Despite being scaled down recently, the concrete chimney will still stand some 700 metres over the outback.

Nuclear fusion

Turns nuclear power on its head by combining atoms rather than splitting them to release energy - copying the reaction at the heart of the sun. After years of arguments the world has agreed to build a test reactor to see whether it works on a commercial scale. Called Iter, it could be switched on within a decade.

Wave generators

No longer a dead duck, the hopes of engineers are riding on bobbing floats again. The British company Trident Energy recently unveiled a design that uses a linear generator to convert the motion of the sea into electricity. A wave farm just a few hundred metres across could power 62,000 homes.
David Adam





Special report
Renewable energy

The issue explained
14.12.2001: Renewable energy

Interactive guide
Offshore wind farms

Useful links
Friends of the Earth
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British Wind Energy Association



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It's a hoax. They've been discussing it at the Physics Forums.

http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=98326

They say the fellow who made the "discovery" is a known crackpot, resurfacing every few years to prey on short-attention spans.



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You may be right, LordFlashHeart, but I  was not swayed by the physics forum. Half the folks posted there seemed to dismiss the dismissal.


    In my brief check, I simply verified that there was indeed a physicist at UNC named Rick Maas. He is one of the 2 outside guys who say they have verified the prototype. That carries some weight with me, but time will tell.


     What seemed missing from the physics forum discussion was that the claim is not of a theoretical energy source. The claim is that they have built it.


"...Mills...claims to have built a prototype power source that generates up to 1,000 times more heat than conventional fuel. Independent scientists claim to have verified the experiments..."



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I'd sure like to see some evidence. If this thing is real, great! But it probably is too good to be true. The proponent of the device is a known crook, and he's tried something like this before, in vain.

Moreover, the device needs to be tested in public, not by a couple of independent scientists. The whole scientific community should be in on this.

The fact that I, and others alike, can doubt it being a real power-generator is reason enough that it should be looked into further. When there is no doubt whatsoever about it, we'll know better.

I await further news about this.

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Lord Flasheart wrote:


I await further news about this.

Don't hold your breath !

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10kBq Jaro wrote:


Don't hold your breath !




How else am I going to practice rishathra underwater? *maniacal Niven-esque laughter*

Couldn't resist. Forgive me if I have offended any hominids.


EDIT: Hmm, my post messed up.

-- Edited by Lord Flasheart at 23:03, 2005-11-14

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I'm not holding my breath either, but here is an article from 2000 with some fun thoughts pro and con...


 


http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/blacklight_power_000522.html


 







Harvard M.D.Challenges Big Bang Theory
By Erik Baard
Special to SPACE.com
posted: 04:13 pm ET
23 May 2000




A Harvard-trained medical doctor is banking that his widely derided theory could supplant Big Bang theory, find the recipe for the cosmos' interstellar gases, and fuel cars without pollution.


Randell Mills, 42, blipped onto science debunkers' radar screens in 1991 when he claimed to unleash energy by "shrinking" the hydrogen atom's electron orbit to form what he calls a "hydrino."


Although mainstream physicists, including Nobel laureates, rankle at the mention of hydrinos, Mills has gathered $25 million dollars from investors for his startup, BlackLight Power Inc.



Randell Mills in front of his "hydrino" energy and chemistry prototype cell at the BlackLight Power laboratories near Princeton, NJ.


The company moved into its new digs last year -- a 53,000-square-foot (4,900-square-meter) space satellite manufacturing plant in New Jersey, bought from Lockheed Martin.



Aerial view of BlackLight Power's office and laboratory complex.


"Something real is generating energy there," said Dan Mears, president of Technology Insights, an energy technology consulting group in San Diego that investigated BlackLight for a year in 1996 on behalf of Oregon electric utility PacifiCorp.


"We were convinced there was excess energy being produced by what he was then calling 'hydrocatalysis,'" Mears said. So convinced that the team leader left to work for BlackLight for a year before moving on to the International Atomic Energy Agency in Vienna, he added.


PacifiCorp signed on, and was followed by the Mid-Atlantic utility Conectiv.


Now Morgan Stanley Dean Witter wants to usher BlackLight to an initial public offering.


NASA engineer jumps in


After two hydrino presentations at American Chemical Society meetings in California in recent months, interest among some scientists and engineers is growing too.


NASA space station engineer Luke Setzer privately formed a study circle on egroups.com to debate and explore the hydrino theory. The list has grown to 70 members since it started in March.








What's a hydrino?


It depends upon whom you ask, but Randell Mills claims they are shrunken-down hydrogen atoms that mysteriously unleash energy. Is Mills a crackpot or the reinventor of quantum theory? Read on.


So-called hydrinos could be used to create a plasma to power cars, says the man who claims to have discovered them. Want to learn more?



Setzer first became intrigued by an aspect of Mills' theory that stated electrons might be made to respond negatively to gravity by warping their general relativistic curvature. The possibilities for propulsion caught Setzer's eye.


"I mean, come on," he said. "There's got to be a better way to get off of the Earth than rockets. The rocket lifting the shuttle is much bigger then the shuttle itself."


"Human colonization of space is going to require radical breakthroughs in access to space. Mills' technologies show some promise to deliver that," Setzer said. "Furthermore, Mills offers rational explanations for anomalous observations."


Mills cautions, however, that even if his theory is right, he doesn't know how much lift the phenomenon would provide. Its applications might remain microscopic, in signal processing, for example.


Wild ideas in science are a bit like mutations in genes: most are useless, some are harmful, and infinitesimally few are advantageous.



This image shows a potassium catalyst at right and the hydrino hydride result at left after the processing in a Blacklight chemistry cell, according to Mills.


With such stacked odds, debunking is usually an easy job, so Mills' tenacity befuddles his harshest critics.


"I guess I am surprised it's lasted this long," said Robert Park, a spokesman for the American Physical Society and professor at the University of Maryland. Park targets Mills, among others, in his new Oxford University Press book release, Voodoo Science, the Road from Foolishness to Fraud.


Whatever road Mills is on, he's convinced the rest of us will be along for the ride.


"Hydrino chemistry may be essential to mankind's understanding of the universe and future technological growth," he said. "My commitment to this endeavor is as enduring and timeless as the matter upon which it is based."


Dark hydrino matter?


Still, Mills has his supporters along with detractors. John Farrell, a chemist who was department chair at Franklin and Marshall College in Lancaster, Pennsylvania when Mills was a student, said he finds Mills' deterministic model of the atom more useful than the probabilistic paradigm of current quantum theory.


Farrell became convinced of its rectitude when soft X-rays and extreme-ultraviolet, or "black-light," emissions Mills' theory predicted for transitions to lower hydrino states "perfectly matched" five spectral lines detected in the dark areas between stars, known as interstellar media. That data was gathered by University of California at Berkeley astrophysicists Simon Labov and Stuart Boyer a decade ago from a probe carried by a "sounding rocket" to the edge of the atmosphere.


"The probability of that happening was just enormously small unless Randy was right," Farrell said. The transitions also correspond to unexplained spectral lines produced by the sun's corona, he said.


Similar spectral lines from BlackLight cells were confirmed by Johannes Conrads, the recently retired director of the Institute for Low Temperature Plasma Physics, a national laboratory in Germany. Additionally, hydrogen plasmas created by the BlackLight process require "astonishingly" little energy to initiate and decay far more slowly than they normally should when input power is cut, Conrads said.


Conrads said he hasn't embraced the hydrino theory, but "the more you have from this pattern, the higher the probability you've found something. It's not trivial and I have not seen things like this before."


Banging on the Big Bang


Hydrinos also play a central role in Mills' alternative theory to the Big Bang, which he dismisses as "an academic fiction."


He instead characterizes the universe as endlessly oscillating between matter and energy over thousand-billion-year cycles, with finite set points. At only 13 billion or so years into the current cycle, "We're just at the beginning. The universe doesn't get much smaller than this," he said.


The conversion of matter into energy is the engine of space-time expansion, he posits.


Albert Einstein and others have shown that a mass creates a dimple in space-time. As that mass burns itself out, throwing off energy, that dimple formed by gravity is smoothed, causing the universe to expand, Mills explained.


"Matter, energy and space-time are conserved. They're interchangeable," Mills said.


Hydrino chemical reactions are one way matter is converted into energy, and may account for up to half of the sun's energy production, according to the Mills theory. But atom for atom, nuclear processes are far more potent than hydrino transitions, he said.


Mills' theory correctly predicted in the early 1990s the 1998 observation that universal expansion is accelerating.


'South of the South Pole'


Hydrogen, with one electron and one proton, is the simplest atom and the most studied. Quantum theory describes the electron orbit of hydrogen in isolation as being in the "ground," or most stable, state with a binding energy with the proton of 13.6 electron volts and a potential energy of 27.2 EV.


That orbit can't be lowered, only inflated to unstable higher radii when energy is added. Trying to take hydrogen's electron below the ground state is like "trying to go south of the South Pole," Park quipped.


Steven Weinberg, a 1979 Nobel laureate in physics at the University of Texas at Austin, seconded Park's certainty.


The idea of the ground state "is a fabulously well-tested mathematical theorem. I would bet my life on it."


The electron's position should be seen as a "cloud" of probabilities extending from the nucleus itself out indefinitely that collapses into it's most probable orbit when observed, Weinberg said. While "of course a theory can be wrong," and "we don't turn a blind eye to anomalies...you don't throw away 75 years because of an anomaly you don't understand. As far as we know, quantum theory is rigorously valid. I have no idea what would replace it."


The Mills model treats the electron as a definable object that can be manipulated. The electron, in his conception, travels as a two-dimensional disk of charge and wraps around a nucleus like a fluctuating soap bubble. He calls the bubble an "orbitsphere."


Radio astronomy test


Senior astrophysicist Barry Turner of the National Radio Astronomy Observatory respects Mills' laboratory work, but still has strong reservations about the underlying theory because of "intuitive leaps" in his formulas. "His math is unsatisfactory to support the theory," Turner said.


"There's enough there that intrigues me though," he says. Mills' research methods impress Turner. "If there's any correctness to the theory, it makes a lot of sense to do what he's done in the lab. That logical step was not found wanting." Next, the theory could be cleaned up and filled in with data, he believes.


The world's largest single-dish, advanced radio telescope is under construction in Greenback, West Virginia. Turner proposes to train it on "ionized nebulae or other suitable regions" to search background radiation for evidence of Mills' claim that a diffuse hydrino gas is "dark matter" -- a term that physicists use to describe what is perhaps the deepest mystery of our time.


Observed matter, like stars and planets, don't have enough mass to account for the gravity apparent in the cohesive movement of galaxies. In fact, it seems we can't account for more than 90 percent of the universe.


Current theories bridging the Big Bang and quantum mechanics go so far afield as to speculate that matter trapped in other dimensions or other universes is affecting gravity in our realm. Mills maintains that there are only three dimensions (plus time) and no universes interacting with our own.


"Why is it that claiming dark matter is normal matter trapped in other dimensions is okay, but saying that it's normal matter trapped in a lower energy state is considered nuts?" Mills asked.


Mills also points out that hydrogen makes up more than 95 percent of the visible universe, so it might be logical to look to hydrogen in some form to deduce the composition of the invisible universe.


Hyperfine splitting


Turner's methods of verification will be very conventional, he explains. The electrons and protons that make hydrogen in both the ground and theorized hydrino states are magnetic and fall into a natural alignment. But on occasion a photon flying through space will knock that arrangement askew. When those magnets "click back into place," energy is released. In hydrogen, that energy travels at a 8.3-inch (21-centimeter) wavelength. It's a benchmark for radio astronomers.


If hydrinos exist, those magnets would be closer together and so interact more strongly, producing higher energy, tighter frequencies.


Turner said he will search, as a skeptic, for "analogous hyperfine splitting" at the 0.1-inch (3-millimeter) and "relatively unexplored" 0.4-inch (1-centimeter) wavelengths predicted for some hydrinos by the Mills theory.


Turner says he knows his proposal will draw some fire. "There are some people who will say, 'Dr. Turner must have lost his marbles,'" he said. "I owe it to science. I think nature would be fascinating if he's right."


In the end, it's only experimentation, not arguments, that will decide if Mills can journey "south of the South Pole." Maybe the analogy will prove inadequate. One might recall the words of Amerigo Vespucci, written after he'd sailed south of the sub-equatorial Torrid Zone, below which prevailing wisdom dictated no life could exist.


"Rationally, let it be said in a whisper, experience is certainly worth more than theory."



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I am a firm believer in the maxim that "...extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence..." and I think that this is good advice.


However, I would point out that quantum mechanics might allow something like this...

If one studies all of the 'Cold Fusion" studies then there is a fairly decent number of them that do have anomolous heat/energy outputs, some even have detectable neutron/gamma signitures suggestive of some kind of nuclear fusion process, but at a very low level (not enough to explain away all of the anomolous energy 'production.'

It is a pet theory of mine that what may be happening has to do with the geometry of the metallic crystals in the metal, and the exact geometry of the intersections within the crystals, and how this affects the quantum vacuum that exists there. If the geometry is such that higher 'modes' are suppressed, then a small location can exist that has a 'lower than zero' energy potential. The mathematics is rigorous, but there is a hint that a less than zero 'zero potential' could actually explain why a catalyst does what it does.

It is an almost miraculous fact that platinum group metals are catalysts for a wide range of chemical reactions--this fact has never been completely explained or understood. It is still a mystery in chemistry....

If properly annealed PGM's (platinum group metals) can create tiny 'mode suppression' cavities (on the order of 1 nanometer) that create these 'negative energy wells,' then certain anomolous phenomena could possibly be explained. Catalytic behaviour, especially with hydrogen chemistry; anomolous heat and energy production in electrolytic cells; and possibly this 'hydrino' stuff too. The one thing I do know about quantum mechanics, is that it is all too often dismissed, when it comes back and rears it's ugly head. The theory seems to work pretty well, despite the "duct tape" and "bailing wire!"

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