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" Disarming nature's force "



Interesting item in the article pasted below : "[Dr. Tad Murty] was first named to the scientific group established by then-prime minister Pierre Trudeau to study the possibility of a tsunami following the announcement in 1971 that the U.S. planned to do nuclear testing in Amchitka in the Aleutian Islands. (His group concluded that the risk of tsunami was minimal.)"


.....none of the US underground nuke tests caused aftershocks stronger than the blasts themselves -- because the devices were not placed in or near active geologic faults.


The question arises though, what probability of success of slip initiation could be expected from judiciously placing & detonating a number of high-yield devices in well-researched active faults like the San Andreas -- particularly if placed in known lock zones, which are currently preventing slippage and thus allowing continuing buildup of tectonic potential energy.


It is well known that the fault will eventually give, producing a catastrophic earthquake, but no-one can predict exactly when (although the likelihood of coincidence with a "spring tide" is thought to be high).


While we can certainly *not* prevent such an earthquake, triggering it at a pre-determined date & time could save nearly as many lives as a prevention.


And much material damage could also be avoided, by shutting down gas & electric utilities for the timed event, thus preventing widespread fires.


Alas, for some reason, people seem to think that nuke explosives are only good for bombs....


http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1104621011821&call_pageid=970599119419


Jan. 2, 2005. 01:00 AM


Disarming nature's force


Scientist Tad Murty's expertise in tsunamis evolved from an early fascination with natural hazards


He helped create a Pacific monitoring system, and his knowledge is in demand, Graham Fraser writes


GRAHAM FRASER


NATIONAL AFFAIRS WRITER


OTTAWA-Dr. Tad Murty is suddenly the centre of attention.


"I am sure you have heard the expression that everybody has 15 minutes of fame," he said with a smile. "This is my 15 minutes."


It is not surprising that he has been suddenly in demand, receiving phone calls from scientific journals, newspapers and television networks all over the world.


For Murty has been studying tsunamis for 40 years - and helped develop the warning system now in place for countries that border the Pacific Ocean.


If such a system had been in place for the Indian Ocean and the South China Sea, Murty maintains, thousands of lives could have been saved. But without such a system, nothing could be done to warn people of the impending disaster.


As a former public servant, Murty understands why; the last tsunami to hit India was in 1945, when the country was still a British colony. Other things seemed more pressing - until Dec. 26.


Now semi-retired - or, rather, embarked on a new teaching career at 67 - and living in Ottawa, Murty's interest in natural disasters was first sparked when he was a teenager in India.


Born Tadepalli Murty in Rambhatlapalyam, a small village in southern India's coastal state of Andhra, he was a teenager in high school when India's first prime minister Jawaharlal Nehru was visiting the region following a cyclone.


"Probably a couple of million people came to see him," he recalled in an interview.


"They set up rows and rows of loudspeakers, so I could hear him clearly although I was a good mile away from the stage.


"He used his audience to talk about natural hazards."


In his speech, Nehru - the man who virtually created modern India - complained, only half joking, that India's scientists were spending their time writing equations that only they could understand.


"`I wish once in a while they would work on real, practical issues and explain to the layman what the hell is going on,'" Murty remembers him saying. "`No wonder 99.9 per cent of the human race hates maths - including myself.'"


Nehru promised that India would commit financial resources to institutions that did practical, down-to-earth work on natural phenomena like floods, droughts, earthquakes and tidal waves.


"He didn't use the word tsunami - he probably didn't know there were tsunamis - but he said tidal waves," Murty said. "That was the first time in my life I heard the words `natural hazards.'


"In a sense, that speech by the prime minister inspired me."


A few years later, when he was working on his Master's degree in oceanography, he was fascinated by reports of the Alaskan tsunami in March 1964.


Two things puzzled him.


Outside of Alaska, there were two communities that suffered serious damage: Port Alberni, B.C., and Crescent City, Calif. On the face of it, this didn't make sense: they were protected by inlets.


But subsequent research revealed the answer.


Port Alberni was the victim of what scientists later called "quarter-wave resonance amplification"; instead of providing protection, the inlet formed a kind of echo chamber.


And the tsunami headed west to Japan, and was reflected back across the Pacific. Along the way, it became focused like a lens on Crescent City.


When Murty completed his doctorate at the University of Chicago, he had a number of job offers in the United States.


But in August, 1967, he visited Montreal for Expo '67, and before returning to Chicago, spent several days in Ottawa and Toronto.


Delighted by what he saw, he decided he would make his career in Canada. The federal government was hiring scientists then, and within a few days he had several offers - and accepted one from the Oceanographic Survey.


But he continued to be interested in tsunamis - and was first named to the scientific group established by then-prime minister Pierre Trudeau to study the possibility of a tsunami following the announcement in 1971 that the U.S. planned to do nuclear testing in Amchitka in the Aleutian Islands. (His group concluded that the risk of tsunami was minimal.)


But this led to his being named as the research scientist to represent Canada in the creation of the International Tsunami Monitoring System.


As a result of that work, a monitoring system was put in place for the Pacific Ocean that warns of the creation of tsunamis, with warning facilities in 185 B.C. communities, and an elaborate computer modelling system that warns of the conditions that create them.


It is a career and an expertise that has taken him around the world: to Victoria with the federal government, to Adelaide, Australia, where he spent three years as head of the National Tidal Laboratories there, and back to Ottawa where, until last August, he worked with an engineering consulting firm.


But he had one unrealized ambition - to teach university. So he left the firm to teach - at the Natural Resources Institute in Winnipeg last fall and, starting next term, at Carleton University and the University of Ottawa.


However, what Murty calls his 15 minutes of fame has opened new opportunities.


Foreign affairs department officials have already been in touch to see if he would consider travelling to India as one of Canada's experts on the creation of a tsunami monitoring system.


"They know I'm retired and doing fun things," he said with a smile.



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Philipum

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Human population do not seem to understand the concept of prevention. For example, people prefer to keep their immediate confort rather than avoiding to take the risk of a global climate change.

No, I don't think people would accept the triggering of a catastrophe. As long as everything is well, they prefer to believe that it will be well forever.

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True. I see this pattern often--most people prefer the comfort of now, versus unpleasentness in the future. A seismic triggering system could, I suppose, be implemented. A few calculated energy releases may let the faults slip in a controlled manner--but this is no small feat..

The greatest energy releases as far as earth quakes go are from subduction zone quakes. A subduction quake is different from a regular quake in the fault doesn't really slip all that much. An earthquake along the San Andreas fault, such as the Great Quake of San Francisco in 1906 was a rupture that accompanied lateral slipping--if memory serves--of about 15-20 meters. A subduction quake is usually sharper, the energy release more sudden and the potential for tsunamis many times greater. Because in a subduction quake, the energy is a sudden release of a bending moment caused by one tectonic plate diving beneath another (I'm sure that a geologist could do better than I explaining this!) This type of quake usually is initiated when the plate actually fractures which immediately initiates a vertical slip. A very sudden vertical slip of ten-twenty meters in deep water (such as the bottom of a deep trench) will almost certainly create an enormous tsunami (typically about the same height on shore in the shallows as the original vertical slip!) These kinds of quakes tend to be more devastating because the energy is released so quickly, the vertical movements are typically large, and they almost always generate a tsunami when in the water.

Attempting to alleviate compression loading on a tectonic plate is almost impossible to do, as they are the direct result of continental drift (which is itself driven by upwelling magma along the deep ocean continental rift zones.) So either a way must be found to prevent upwelling and continental drift, or the subducting plates could be 'pre-fractured' probably by using strings of large thermonuclear explosives. The energy releases from so many thermonuclear explosions would itself be comparable to the energy release from a great quake, so it is hard for me to see that this would be a good thing.

I think a better idea would be to revamp the SOSYS underwater sonar network to include the ability to monitor wide scale 'cracking' sounds which could be a precussor to a major fracture. Perhaps laying cables across the ocean bottom as gigantic 'strain gauges' could directly monitor small motions of our planet's crust. This should give a realtime map of where strain is actively accumulating--a dead giveaway for a future earth quake. But such a netwrok would--I am quite sure--cost many billions of dollars. And it beats me if something like that could even work.


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10kBq jaro

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An interesting quote from chapter 10 (p.220) of the book Nuclear Explosions and Earthquakes by Bruce A. Bolt (1976, W. H. Freeman & Co., San Francisco, UG1282.A8B64) concerning high-yield underground bomb tests on Amchitka Island, 1965 - 1971, by Australian seismologist Keith Bullen :


" If triggering did happen, there is strong probability that the balance of effect would be advantageous in that the earthquake triggered off would be expected to be less extreme and less devastating than the next earthquake in that region. All the time, stresses are accumulating in the Aleutian and in many other regions of the world. Premature triggering, if it occurred, would be likely to release the accumulated energy before it reached a higher and more dangerous level. In fact, there is a feeling among some pure seismologists that thought should be given to actually using nuclear explosions judiciously, to reducing by trigger mechanism the more extreme earthquake disasters. "



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GoogleNaut

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Obviously, triggering an earthquake will result in some kind of stress relief that would otherwise naturally build to greater levels (before a catastrophic failure of the fault.)

My feeling is that it could probably be done, however, by relieving the stresses accumullating on one fault prematurely, this will likely transfer additional stresses to other faults. requiring an expanded and accelerated regimine of more 'peaceful nuclear explosions' to relieve these stresses as they load up secondary faults. Accelerating transfer of tectonic stress loadings in this manner could have unforseen international circumstances as previously undiscovered faults are activated....

Also, I suspect that in order to break a fault loose will require the judicious application of several multimegaton devices in concert, perhaps spaced over hundreds of kilometers of fault. The shockswaves from so many devices going off almost simultaneously deep underground will likely produce loci of seismically positive reinforced distrurbances--some of which may be on land, and some of which will be in deep water. The deep water loci may cause tsunamis, and the lan loci would almost certainly require evacuation should they be close to populated areas.

Before we attempt "GeoTectonic Engineering," we need to do a very detailed analysis of the Earth's tectonic system, perhaps simulated on a super computer such as Japan's "Earth Simulator":
http://www.es.jamstec.go.jp/esc/eng/ES/hardware.html

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10kBq jaro

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Another good one is QuakeSim project's computer code "Virtual California," visually rendered by the RIVA software (see http://quakesim.jpl.nasa.gov/animations.html ).
If you look carefully at the movie -- the displacement of the ground surface is shown as they would be reconstructed from observations taken by an interferometric radar satellite -- you can see that most of the earthquakes are relatively small and occurr at apparently random places along the faults, wherever the tectonic plates briefly lock up. The occasional very large earthquake in the 1000-year simulation occurrs at the relatively rare 'moments' when the plates really lock up, for longer than usual, letting the stress build up to unusually high levels, at a particular location.
So if one were to prevent this sort of large buildup of stress artificially -- by initiating an early quake using underground explosions -- then it appears that the rest of the long fault could go on merrily slipping, with just its frequent little earthquakes. As I mentioned in my earlier post, that of course could only be done effectively in a very well studies fault system like the San Andreas....
 


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Thanks for the link, Jaro. I took a look at RIVA--pretty impressive animations! I'm sure that the simulation is very illustrative of the geodynamics of a fault system--perhaps seismologists can actually gain some insight into the specifics necessary to establish a criteria for making high-confidence level warnings of immenent ruptures. Even a couple of minutes' warning could save many lives and a lot of property damage.


In this instance--I can see that perhaps detonating several nuclear devices along a fault to relieve strain could work. The San Andreas is one of the most intrumented fault systems in the world.

I wonder if pumping water at high pressure into the fault could also achieve the same result--on a lower scale and with less energy release to test the idea. If I remember correctly, there are numerous wells along the San Andreas that actually pump water out of aqufiers crossing the fault, in an effort to further lock the Pacific and North American plates together--atleast in this limited area--to prevent a large quake. However, ironically this strategy will only create an eventually much larger quake as the strain will exceed the ultimate yield strength of the rock--a new fault will spontaneously form around the barricade--with a catastrophic release of seismic energy.

Overall, the idea of triggering earth quakes is an intriguiing one--releasing seismic energy in more numerous smaller quakes versus one big one makes sense and could ultimately save lives. However, underground nuclear explosions have usually been carefully placed away from faults--not because of the fear of triggering earth quakes but only the fear of fault venting of radioactive gasses generated by the fireball from the nuke. Apparently gasses from underground nuclear tests can very quickly fallow a fault to a weakspot leading to the surface--leading to a containment breech. One such accidental breach actually occured in the 1970's as I recall.

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I am sure that I read somewhere about the idea of not only using "dry" wells to lock the fault but to also allow a controlled reliece of energy by pumping water into the fault a small streatch at a time to produce numerous small quakes instead of one big one.


Dusty



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